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Phone number 773-427-8823 (773-Has-Tube) FAX (on 24 hrs)
773-327-5652
Open 10 AM to 5 PM CT, Monday thru Friday
Instructions for triode-connecting the output tubes can be found at the further down this page.
This Guide can used on most Dynaco ST70, Mk4, Mk3 and Mk2 amplifiers generally, altho some sections assume you have either our board or the original board with new parts. Some of this info is general enough to be used with other amplifiers.
Trying to troubleshoot the original board with the original parts is generally a waste of time since after 30 or 40 years, nearly everything is either going to be out of whack or on the way there.Many of the parts on the original board can go bad and create mysterious noises, and trying to track down the culprit is going to be difficult, especially for casual hobbyists.We can't do diagnosis of original PC boards with original parts by email or phone.
You may take into consideration that we sell new boards when you read our opinion on this, still, we think that printed circuit boards in Dynaco amplifiers should be completely replaced as part of routine maintenance, rather than attempts being made to repair it, for the following reasons:
Triode operation of 6CA7,EL34, 6L6-GC , and tubes with same pinouts (ST70 or Mk3 or Mk2 with our boards or original boards ONLY)
Find the green (not green/white) wire (one from each output
transformer) hooked to pin 4 on an EL34 on each side (or on each
amplifier in the case of Mk2/Mk3) of the amplifier, there is also
a wire leading from that pin to pad 11 (on one side) or pad 14
(other side) in an ST70, pad 4 on a Mk2 or Mk3.
Disconnect the green wires from their respective sockets\par and
run directly to pad 11 (on one side) and pad 14 (on the other).
Remove the wires that previously ran from pad 11 & 14 (pad
4 on Mk2 & Mk3) to the EL34/6550 sockets.
Disconnect the screen tap leads from pin 4 of each of the other
two output tubes, then insulate the ends of the wires so that the
bare leads are not exposed.
Install a 100 ohm (1/2 watt minimum) resistor between pin 3 and
pin 4 of each of the output tube sockets.
Reinstall the output tubes, and recheck bias (BIASET on front
panel). This will result in a 10 to 20 watt per channel (about 30
watts with a Mk3) triode connected amplifier, power varying with
output and rectifier tubes chosen, and AC line voltage input.
Triode connection may be utilized with tubes with a different
pinout, simply disconnect/reconnect the screen leads as above and
insulate the two loose screen leads, then connect a 100 ohm
resistor (usually at least 1/2 watt) between the plate and
screen.
Here's some common problems with ST70's, and possible solutions:
1.Low B+ (HT) voltage from rectifier diodes or tube
cathode. (Turn amplifier off before performing tests.)
This indicates either a restriction in the power supply (open or
high resistance windings in transformer or choke, bad rectifier
tube) or excessive current draw (caused by leaky filter
capacitors, or shorts in tubes or output transformers) pulling
down the voltage.
2. One set of tubes draws excessive bias current
(biaset too high).
Swap the offending pair of tubes with the tubes from the other
side.
If the problem follows the tubes to the other side indicates
probable bad tube.
If the problem remains on the side where it was originally,
possible bad tube socket or bad connection in grid bias circuit
(often open bias control) on that side.
3.All tubes (both banks) draw excessive current (biaset too high). Check voltages in bias circuit. If they appear normal (usually will create negative voltage of 30 to 40 volts at eyelets # 6 and 21 in an ST70), then check for excessive voltage drop (use a high impedance voltmeter to check this such as a VTVM) across the tube grid resistors (100K on our board or in Mk3/Mk2, 270K on most others). If a drop of more than a few volts is found on only one, or on one of each pair, indicates severe tube unbalance or possible defective tubes. If found on all tubes indicates that amplifier must be modified for lower DC grid circuit resistance to accommodate the tubes you have chosen. If no excessive voltage drops found across these resistors, and other bias circuit voltages appear normal, indicates type or brand of tube used requires modification to bias circuit to be used in this amplifier.
4.One tube glows red or orange. Swap the offender with another tube on either side or other amp (keep track of which one you swapped!) If condition follows tube, this indicates a probable defective tube or possibly bad solder joint inside the tube pins (which may be fixed by heating the pins with soldering iron). If condition appears in the same socket with a different tube indicates either a bad or wrong connection to that socket or a bad socket.
5.Biaset wont go high enough.Generally either
means output or rectifier tubes are worn out, or the 10K or 18K
(Mk3) resistor from the bias controls to ground is either
defective, not connected or out of tolerance (value too high).
This could be caused by a bad or internally cracked/damaged bias
control.
Occasionally even new tubes do not draw sufficient current, in
this case, either replace the 10K bias controls with a higher
value, or reduce the value of the 10K resistor going to ground
from the bias controls (try a 5K or similar, or a 10K to replace
the 18K in a Mk3 or Mk2).
6.Transformer hot or vibrating excessively. Indicates
either a component in the amplifier is drawing excessive current
due to leakage (see section 1 above for how to track that type of
problem down), tube are biased to draw an excessive amount of
current, or transformer has internal short. Note that some Dynaco
transformers as shipped from the factory vibrated excessively and
physically isolating the transformer with rubber grommets or
other methods may be necessary to solve the problem. All power
transformers will dissipate some heat during operation, even with
no load, however getting too hot to touch without burning skin
indicates a problem.
Try operating the amplifier with no tubes plugged in, the
transformer should only get slightly warm.
If the first two possibilities are ruled out then turn the
amplifier off and unplug, disconnect the ground (chassis)
lead,remove the rectifier tube (5AR4) or disconnect from
rectifier diodes, and pull all other tubes.
Check the resistance between the ground lead of the transformer
and each of the leads going to the 5AR4 socket. The resistance on
each side of the ground wire will not exactly the same but
similar (say within 30%).
Check the resistance between the wires connected to the
5AR4 and chassis or transformer case.
The resistance should be very high (usually 1 meg or more). Check
between the leads going to the 5AR4 and the different filament
wires (pins 2 and 7 of the 5AR4 itself, also pins 2 or 7 of the
6CA7/ EL34's).
Again the resistance should be very high. If any of these do not
check out, a defective transformer is indicated, however other
possible leakage paths should be checked, including where
insulation where wires run close to the chassis, where wires
enter the transformer, and under transformer bottom cover.
In some cases it will be necessary to replace the 10 ohm
resistors on the board with wire jumpers or zerohm resistors to
stop ground loop or transformer hum.
7.Capacitors bubbling, crackling, venting or smoking. Indicates that the capacitor was exposed to an overvoltage (or in the case of an electrolytic capacitor, reverse voltage), or is simply defective. Replace the capacitor, however before doing so, check to make sure the capacitor is of sufficient voltage rating, that the cause of any possible overvoltage condition (wrong size of voltage dropping resistor installed, etc.) is corrected, that the voltages in the circuit where the capacitor is installed are correct, and make sure the capacitor, if it is an electrolytic, is installed with the proper polarity- note that in the bias circuit where there are negative voltages present the capacitors are connected with the positive side to ground (chassis), for example.
8. Resistors overheating or smoking. Indicates either a
resistor of the wrong wattage rating was chosen or that some
element in the circuit (usually a defective tube or capacitor) is
short and drawing a high amount of current through the resistor.
To determine resistor wattage rating, use Ohm's Law thusly:
Divide the voltage drop across the resistor by the resistance.
This will give you the current in amperes drawn through the
resistor. Then multiply the current in amperes by the voltage
drop to get the wattage dissipation.
Then double the wattage to find the minimum necessary rating. For
example if voltage drop is 200 volts, size of resistor is
330,000, current is .0006 amps. Take .0006 times 200
equals .12 watts dissipation. The minimum rating for the resistor
would be .24 watt, ergo a quarter-watt (1/4 watt) resistor would
do. Note that for resistors that effectively do not have a DC
current drawn across them, principally grid resistors and phase
or frequency compensation networks, the wattage rating can
effectively be ignored, and the smallest convenient rating used.
While AC currents exist in this amplifier, except for the
resistors included in the feedback loop , these currents are
negligible and may be safely ignored for wattage dissipation
calculations. If the resistor is indeed of the proper wattage,
then the other defective elements that are making the resistor
overheat must be located and replaced prior to reinstalling a new
resistor. In the case of a plate or screen resistor, test the
tube for shorts or substitute with a known good tube and see if
the problem recurs. In the case of possible defective
capacitors, follows the procedures in the previous section for
testing them.
9. Crackling, hissing, or noises through one or both
channels. If this only occurs in one channel, first eliminate
tubes as the source of the problem by swapping tubes between the
sides (EL34s or 6550's in pairs), and turning on the
amplifier to see if the problem follows the tube (s) between the
channels.
If, after substituting all tubes the problem continues, a little
detective work will be necessary. First, pull the tubes from the
PC board, then turn on the amplifier again. If the sound
disappears, then the problem is probably on the board or power
supplied to the board. If not, and the sound appears in both
channels, the problem is probably in the power supply (power
transformer, choke, filter capacitor (s), or resistors attached
to the filter capacitor (s). If not and the noise only appears in
one channel, the source is most likely in the output stage, often
the tube sockets, occasionally the biaset resistor or negative
bias supply circuit, more rarely the output transformer. Bad bias
control pots are often the source of output stage noise, try
moving the controls slightly back and forth to see if the noise
changes or goes away. Try wiggling carefully (without burning
yourself or breaking the tube!) the output tubes on the affected
channel, this will often indicate tube socket that are dirty,
corroded, or have lost contact tension and must be replaced.
Most of the noise problems you may encounter derive from the
following sources (from most to least common)
10.Excessive audio hum. This is usually caused by one of the following:
11. Voltages on board are way off or amplifier distorts excessively. Check all of following:
12.Amplifier oscillates (tone comes from speakers with
no input).(ST70) Check wiring from PC board pads 1,2,22
& 23 (on our board or original board) to their respective
EL34 sockets. Pads 1 & 22 should be connected to EL34 sockets
that have striped (green/white & blue/white) wires connected
to them (from the output transformer)
Pads 2 and 23 should be connected to EL34 sockets that have solid
(blue & green) wires connected to them (from the output
transformer) See schematic for details.
On Mk3's & Mk2's, pad 3 goes to the 6550/EL34 socket with the
striped wires from the transformer, pad 1 to the socket with the
solid color wires.
Make sure the common/ 0 ohm lead on the output transformer is
connected to chassis/ground.
13.No sound in one channel: First eliminate tubes as
the source of the problem by swapping tubes between the sides
(EL34s in pairs), and turning on the amplifier to see if
the problem follows the tube (s) between the channels. (The
12AU7/12BH7 on our board is common between both channels, try
substituting it).
Next, check all connections: swap speaker & input connectors
(avoid doing this while amplifier is powered up), between the two
sides, see if the problem changes to opposite side (in which case
youve got a problem with a cable, speaker or preamp).
Look at wires connecting between the board & tubes, make sure
no leads going to the output terminals are disconnected o r
touching the chassis (except the 0/common lead on each side). If
you stuck a lead in a PC board pad or eyelet and either forgot to
solder it, that can have the same effect.
Check all voltages on the board where the diagram indicates,
voltages way off indicate a resistor is open/wrong value.
Check voltages on pins 3 & 4 of all EL34/6550 sockets (where
leads from output transformers connect). They should have between
375 to 475 volts in an ST70, 425 to 475 in a Mk4 and 450 to 525V
in a Mk3 or Mk2 depending on rectifier tubes used, biaset being
set correctly, and your line voltage, and power transformer
tolerances, but ALL of those pins should have similar voltages.
Missing voltage on one indicates an broken wire or open in
transformer.
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Triode Electronics, 5633 W. Irving Park Rd,
Chicago, IL 60634
Phone number 773-427-8823 (773-Has-Tube) FAX (on 24 hrs)
773-327-5652
Open 10 AM to 5 PM CT, Closed Sat & Sun